United We Stand

The election is over. Kerry has conceded to President Bush. Bush becomes the first President in 16 years (since Pres. Bush 41) to win at 50% or more of the popular vote.

It's been an incredibly ugly campaign. Our President (love him or hate him) has been the target of four years of ugly attacks. I think it's time we all put that behind us – forgive and forget. Regardless of who you supported, the sun will come up tomorrow. Let's all exhale and get back to being Americans & stop all this red state/blue state crap.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall – whoever thought that up was a genius. Let's live it.

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12 thoughts on “United We Stand”

  1. President Bush hasn't endured any ugly attacks beyond the norm. If anything he's endured less when compared to the Clinton presidency. I think if you look at Adams and Jefferson you can see where the bar was set for ugly attacks. It was so bad Adams passed the Sedition Act to quell ugly attacks on the president and halt the growth of the Democratic party.

    I want unity for the country as well. But how about Republicans start reaching out across party lines and be "uniters not dividers." Absent that fig leaf from the right I'll stand with the other half of the country to do whatever it takes to save the great American democracy.

  2. Respectfully, Matt, Clinton went through a tough time, but there was at least some clear, legal matter being examined. Yeah, it was cheap and much of it bunk, but his attorney general ran him down that road.

    Bush was subject to slurs from the moment he was elected – almost all of the completely without foundation. F911 was a complete sham/smear. We've never done that to any President, especially a sitting President.

  3. Well said Kevin. Clinton brought much of the attacks himself. Whitewater, file-gate, and getting oral sex while in th Oval Office. Like Bush or not, one thing is constant, the man has some form of values and has brought respect back to the White House. Clinton's demise was soley brought on by his own reckless behavior. It is real hard to be an uniter when you are getting personal attacks from everyone who disagrees with you. Bush, while Gov of Texas was great about reaching across party lines and making things happen. The election is over, now it is time to put the bickering to bed and make this country great and safe.

  4. Well said Kevin. Clinton brought much of the attacks himself. Whitewater, file-gate, and getting oral sex while in th Oval Office. Like Bush or not, one thing is constant, the man has some form of values and has brought respect back to the White House. Clinton's demise was soley brought on by his own reckless behavior. It is real hard to be an uniter when you are getting personal attacks from everyone who disagrees with you. Bush, while Gov of Texas was great about reaching across party lines and making things happen. The election is over, now it is time to put the bickering to bed and make this country great and safe.

  5. This is where the divide begins between Bush supporters and everyone else. I would consider the large number of documentaries, and investigative journalism pieces valid examinations of Bush policy. I have my problems with F911 on presentation but found most of the substance presented valid questions. (And yes I've lingered on moorewatch, moorelies, freerepublic and numerous other sites soaking in the debunkers)

    But differences aside how do we bridge the gap? How do we come together as Americans? I worry that the art of compromise is beginning to disappear from politics. As someone from the left I glance across the aisle and see a conservative Christian right-wing that will accept zero compromise on anything because in their black and white world they dishonor their God by doing such.

    I see an environmental policy built around the Dominion clause of Genesis that says use up the environment as fast as you can because God gave it to you. I see a foreign policy driven by Dispensationalists who want Israel to be destroyed by Muslims to bring about the Second Coming, Tribulation, etc. I see a domestic policy driven by the Old Testament with it's harsh penalties for same sex couples, disobedient children, rape victims, and so forth.

    I don't know how to bridge the gap between my beliefs and those. Mainly because the people who espouse those Christian conservative beliefs feel they betray their God if they don't institute their own brand of Sharia law here in America.

    If you're wondering I don't think anyone in the Bush administration is "evil" or out to destroy America. I think we just have very different ideas about how to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Indepenence or the Founding Father's wishes.

  6. First, this is a great conversation and I hope we can continue it.

    I think your characterizations are pretty extreme views, yet your assigning them to some presumed majority. Does the Republican party have quacks? Yep. I bet there's at least as many as with the Demos. Fair?

    I would sugggest to you that Bush's first major domestic policy accomplishment, which was heralded by almost every legistlator, was sponsored by Ted Kennedy – No Child Left Behind. It increased funding for education by 49%. Some would have liked to see it go further, but it was a good start – born of compromise. Bush would have seen the entire Dept. Education go bye-bye, Kennedy would have none of it. Together, they got it done.

    A few weeks later, Ted decided to come out and say it was still underfunded. OK to express your opinion and push for more – not OK to blast the President as a liar and theif (or similar dispersions). Since then, it's been pretty bitter.

    How do we get back? I really believe that Bush is a lot like most of the guys I know. If he says he's going to try, he's going to try. Be willing to try in return, that's all.

    Have your doubts, but don't be limited by them. It can happen, but everyone has to step forward, even the doubters.

    As I said, let's all take that step.

  7. Yes, it's really easy for you to say that, given your choice in candidates. For others it's not so easy. As much as I want to scream shut up to everyone about all of this, I have to realize that these are real people, with real fears and real issues that are part of their very heart. It's going to stay that way for the next four years. Right now, it's the hate among everyone that's making me incredibly angry. I mean, I don't agree with your choice, but that choice is yours. Not mine. You did what was right for you.

    But give people some time. The sun for the other 48% isn't going to come up tomorrow, I'm thinking.

  8. See, some people say that Bush has brought "respect" back to the White House – go to any foreign country, and I promise you that they respect our president less than ever before. Sure, we're not hearing about his scandalous affairs, but I'm still one of those people that feel that that was all simply silly to make a big deal about. It is only within the past 20 years that we care about a president's sex life; prior to the '80s no one cared. It wasn't an issue, and I think that should still be the case.

    Plus, as so many have said – no one died when Clinton lied.

    Bush was attacked from day one because he is a horrid public speaker; he lost the public vote and somehow wrangled Florida away from Gore; and he has very little political experience with no experience on a federal government level.

    I realized last night while watching TV that I have no issues with Republicans; I would have been ok with almost any other Republican candidate. I have disliked Bush since the mid-90s when he was governor, and that will probably never change. In 2008, I'll probably be ok with whoever runs for the Republicans, as long as it is not another Bush family member. Until then, I will respect the office of president, but I will probably never have respect for Bush.

    But I love all the Republicans I know. I'm not divided on that issue.

  9. Fair enough. Good points all around. Having been on the other end
    several times, I know it's not easy to even conceive of the fact that
    your guy couldn't pull through. I'm very optimistic that some folks
    will try to give Bush a chance – just a little latitude to see if he
    can make this thing come together.

    There are always going to be whackos on both sides, but I really do
    think the majority of the of Americans just want to see things get a
    little better.

    There are a lot of things I would change about Bush if I had a chance,
    but I don't. I think he's got a good opportunity to lead a Congress
    that should follow him. Let's just hope it starts moving in a way that
    all of us can get behind.

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